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    Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    While the new screenshots are admittedly kick ass, I'm not a fan of how beefcake the Barbarian has become. The first time I saw the original screenshot I was actually taken aback at how simple and cool that character looked. When I saw the two new screenshots the Barbarian reminded me of that episode of Invader Zim where Zim and Dib slowly turn into bologna. He now looks like one those 'roided out guys who use doorframes as backscratchers because their biceps prevent them from scratching their own backs (or even touching their own shoulders).
    Anyone else prefer the original?
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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    well, the original picture we saw wasn‘t a screenshot so much as it was a test of wardrobe stuff, apparently. It was never meant for us to see it, and the character design wasn‘t anywhere near final. As for your thought of it being a guy buffed up on steroids, well it does look a little that way. Maybe character creation will give you options on how muscular your character will be...

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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    I don't really see much of a significant difference between the older test image and the new ones regarding the muscle proportion. IMO he looks abit more refined now, in the older image his neck looks huge or perhaps his head is to low.

    I prefer the new look of the "barbarian/warrior".
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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    I like the overall look of the warrior/barbarian for the most part. However, I do agree that the arms are HUGE. However, if you look at the rest of his body, there is no doubt the arms do need to be large. I'm just not sure if they need to be that big.

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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    there's this announcement on D3 .net
    http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/torchlight-debuts/

    it says the art style of TorchLight is "anime-inspired" and almost like the japanase "super deformed" style
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_deformed
    "Super deformed or SD is a specific style of Japanese caricature where characters are drawn in an exaggerated way, typically small and chubby, with stubby limbs and oversized heads, to make them resemble small children.

    The style is called chibi by some fans, though chibi is a different concept that refers more to a person's stature rather than the art style. Many pro and amateur anime artists enjoy drawing super deformed characters because the style is considered cute and is relatively easy to draw."

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... rgeRyu.gif

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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    Webbstre: Yeah it is certainly possible that there is some sort of muscularity setting during character creation. The irony would be if that were true and they were trying to show us that functionality subtly and here I am complaining about it.

    Haze: I can't tell whether they changed his neck or not. I think it may just be the more downward angle of the first shot.

    Amaethon: You're absolutely right. I should have made myself more clear, the arms are specifically what I was referring to. I think they're using the old "show not tell" rule from animation where you allow the art to portray who a character is or what they're thinking. In this case they obviously want this character's silhouette to evoke strength but I think it already did in the first screenshot. To me, wide shoulders mean strength, huge biceps mean a lack of dexterity. He already looked strong but now he looks clumsier.

    jamesl: Nice call on the super-deformed thing. I have seen that used in anime for years but didn't know the name of that technique. I'm not entirely convinced that they are aiming for a super-deformed look though. I think that if they were intentionally taking that approach then they would make the heads bigger. While the resounding opinion on diii.net seems to "teh anime!" I think that the art direction may just be inspired by animation in general. When Runic Insider interviewed Jason Beck the first people he mentions being is contemporary influences are all western animators (Chuck Jones, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnston) followed by some American comic artists (Neal Adams, John Buscema, Mike Mignola, Frank Miller). So I think everyone is seeing the animation influence and initially jumping to anime because that is the form of animation that most nerds are familiar with. My opinion is somewhere in between. The first comparison that I thought was Joe Madureira, an American comic book artist who is heavily influenced by anime. The long arms,wide shoulders, small hips and short legs proportions of the barbarian reminded me of this old Madureira X-Men cover: http://www.joemadfan.com/plugins/p17...17_imageid=190
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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    Well, they call it "almost" super deformed. And I can agree with that, ya know, in the sense that they're not. A skeleton with a slightly bigger head doesn't fall into the chibi/super deformed category. But maybe I'm overanalyzing things, since it's just a one-paragraph summary on some unofficial fansite.

    Either way, I think the warrior looks great. Looks very similar, proportionally speaking, to that first image we saw of the game, in my opinion.

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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    For me the style with the barbarian has to fit with his movements. I don`t really prefer any style but when the barbarian or warrior uses a lot of overhead and slash swings then I prefer him to be like the one on the screenshot. You might even call it a bit "clumsy" but it certanly looks strong and fits good with the style.
    But he could even be kind of slim if his movements fit. He could use attacks in which he swings an axe around his body using the force of the swing instead of hacking and slashing which acquires more strength.
    That`s more important to me than the actual look.

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    Re: Anyone else prefer the old Barbarian/Warrior?

    I have to agree that the design of the barbarian has to reflect his particular style of combat. The tank from Left 4 Dead is a good example of that. The tank's massive build fits perfectly with his 'hulk smash!' style of combat. I was just under the impression that the barbarian was more of a well rounded melee fighter as opposed to something similar to the tank.

    We should request a short video clip form Runic in order to form a more educated opinion. ;D

    So what do you think Runic Guys? Short video clip? 10 seconds would be sufficient. 20. Ok, 90 seconds at the most.
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